Nothing has ever been as frustrating with my TR1 (and so far I have not found a problem that I could not fix, exspecially with the help from all your brilliant minds out there, but this one has me stumped.  I am trying to get a T610 sony Ericsson phone working with a bluetooth layer of some description on the TR1 with XP home. Attached below is an unaswered post from the other forum, and here is the latest.  I have tried to install various versions and downloads for WINCOMM software 1.3 bla bla that is supposed to provide a working bluetooth layer for the dongle i got here in nepal…generic type….the cd just says bluetooth adapter y-212 v.1.3.2.7

the software that came with worked sorta.  so i tried others. and am in the process of trying more.  i’ve encountered forums and posts that prove to me this is just a nightmare, and not what one would expect as a tr1 user, where most things run smoothly.  i love the phone.  i love the laptop.  i just want the following:
* the phone to connect reliably to the laptop
* the ability to sync with palm desktop 4.1 where all my contact ancd calendar data is kept.
* the ability to change/upload/download phone settings and things like pics and themes and whatnot.
that’s all.

<RANT>it appears to be a monumental task as in the way that my bluetooth places is implemented…as a microsoft uncertified driver ..as in different with each phone and each dongle…as in a complete hose job in the world of operating systems as far as i can tell.  what were they thinking?  if they did a like thing in the realm of wireless 802 we would all be unconnected and going crazy, without an internet connection!</RANT> 

so here is the situation.  tried several versions of v.1.3.2.7 bluetooth layer, including belkins.  going to try some more now. one from bluesoleil is next.  but any advice in this regard would be appreciated.  i’ve posted questions on other forums for the phone and bluetooth but they are all idiot savants compared to you all. you are the only ones that i trust.  you use a tr.  you are smarter than the adverage bear.  you are all grand.  please help this young grasshopper of a bluetooth student.

yours,
jig

background post:

thanks for that Richard…bought the se t610 which i fell in love with at the shop, and admire it’s features, display, and performance, but was appalled by the bluetooth implementation.  here’s why:

1) the dongle i bought (the only one currently available in KTM) seems primitive. and apparently it’s as good as it gets unless you get the sony one.  mine came with the basic WIDCOMM 1.3.2.7 software which establishes the bluetooth neighborhood, i think.  I can’t find an upgrade for this software anywhere, and wonder if it exists.  the current version establishes an interface akin to windows 3.1 or win 95 apps with confusing icons like t610 OBEX file transfer and t610 irMC sync.  the file transfer is using some bastard FTP protocols that are undocumented. The T610 voice gateway is slow and creates an echo that people at the other end of the line hate when i use the TR1 to pick up the phone.  Dial up networking seems to work - well, it dials - but i don’t think ISP’s in Nepal support connections to cell phones, but who knows, i can’t connect with isp computer using the phone as a modem.

2) the relationship between the phone, the softwares, and my Tr1 are murky and complex, with things like phone monitor options in control panel and then bluetooth configuration as well. i get the point that you must bridge the two, thru concepts like “discovery” and “pairing” but hell, this is a hassle like no other I have encountered in XP networking and connecting.

3) the latest version of softwares from Sony Ericcson either does not connect with my phone or requires a 60$usd upgrade to be useful.  Let me explain.  Sony Ericsson MMS Home Studio, Sony Ericsson Image Editor, and Sony Ericsson Phone Settings do not recognize the phone even though everything else does.  They look like good apps but as they sit now they either don’t see the phone or require a manual transfer of files after editing. T610 IrMC Synchronization seems to work under bluetooth (then why call it IR?) but only with Outlook Express to sync important things like calendar and contacts.  I actually had the remnants of an old Express install on the TR1 (I use incredimaul now) and it found the old .wab file and imported all the contents!  what a pain.  so I started looking at another program provided in this setup called XTNDConnect PC, which is not an SE product, but a third-party add on that provides sync to Outlook for free, and 60usd$ for any others.  I won’t go into the horrors of this program here, but if anyone has the purchase version working, please write to me asap. The free version won’t find the phone, so I can’t check to see if it works at all.  I want to sync my palmdesktop to the phone, as that’s where all the good stuff is. 

Or, if anyone else knows of working products that will do these “simple” things:
* sync palm desktop 4.1 with t610 on tr1 thru bluetooth connection
* edit t610 phone settings on pc
* better manage bluetooth services and devices

Thanks!!!!
Get Jiggy in Nepal
http://www.wavemag.com.np

I have a T610 and a BT dongle as well.  It does indeed work, but requires a few steps:

1) First, make sure you pair the dongle and the phone.  I’m assuming you’ve either done this already or know how to do it.

2) Next, go into your Bluetooth Neighborhood and view all devices within range. 

3) View services available on your phone.  Right-click on either “Serial Port” and then look to see which COM port it says is connected (mine is COM4).

4) Now go into Control Panel and “Phone Monitor Options.”  Your phone should be recognized.

5) Click on the “COM Ports” tap and highlight the COM port from step #3 and ENABLE.

Everything should be working from there.

I had a bad experience with the Widcomm stack, but some swear by it. I’m using the Sony dongle now, and that uses a different set of drivers and Bluespace as opposed to Bluetooth Neighborhood*. I have the same phone you do (well, the American spectrum version, the T616) and it works quite well with the Sony dongle.

The OBEX (OBject EXchange) protocol is pretty standard for file transfer over IR and BT. That’s what you should use for transferring themes and pics. And for the record, it is documented . 

I can’t give much other advice on your situation except to suggest to ask your BT questions at the Geekzone BT forum and your T610 questions at either Howardforums or Esato . Both have lots of info already online that you should skim through before posting, especially Esato’s BT help thread .

* The Sony dongle and yours use the same BT chipset. It *might* be possible to use the Sony software with your dongle, but knowing Sony, it’s probably been locked to the Sony device.

1) First, make sure you pair the dongle and the phone.  I’m assuming you’ve either done this already or know how to do it.

YES, PHONE AND COMPUTER IS PAIRED FINE.

2) Next, go into your Bluetooth Neighborhood and view all devices within range. 

T610 SHOWS UP FINE.

3) View services available on your phone.  Right-click on either “Serial Port” and then look to see which COM port it says is connected (mine is COM4).

SAME.  BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT LAYER OF BLUETOOTH YOU HAVE AND EVEN WITH WINCOMM, DEPENDING ON WHAT VERSION YOU HAVE, THE SERICES ARE DIFFERENT, AND THEY NEVER FULLY MATCH THE SERVICES LISTED AS AVAILABLE WITH THE T610.

4) Now go into Control Panel and “Phone Monitor Options.”  Your phone should be recognized.

HA! NOT A CHANCE. WITH WINCOMM 1.3.2.7 IT SHOWS UP SOMETIMES, HALF THE FUNCTIONS ARE NOT ACCESSABLE, AND IT DROPS THE CONNECTION MORE THAN NOT.

5) Click on the “COM Ports” tap and highlight the COM port from step #3 and ENABLE.

THAT CONNECTS THE COM PORT AND I GUESS IS A VIRTUAL GATEWAY.  DEPENDING ON WHAT BLUETOOTH LAYER I HAVE INSTALLED AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, THE FILE SERVICES WORK, SOMETIMES I GET THE AV DEVICE TO WORK, BUSINESSCARD SYN WORKS WITH SOME OF THEM, BUT I CAN’T FIND A BLUETOOTH PLACES DRIVER THAT MATCHES THE PHONE.  THE ERICISON SOFTWARE WORKS WITH SOME VERSIONS OF BLUETOOTH DONGLE AND NOT OTHERS, AND AS I SAID THEY ALL PROVIDE DIFFERING SERVICES, SO WHAT TO DO?

Everything should be working from there.

[quote author=”* The Sony dongle and yours use the same BT chipset. It *might* be possible to use the Sony software with your dongle, but knowing Sony, it’s probably been locked to the Sony device.

I DONT HAVE THE SONY DONGLE OR THE SONY SOFTWARE BUT I AM WILLING TO TRY IT ON MY GENERIC DONGLE.  CAN YOU POST HERE OR SEND TO ME?  THANKS.  I AM ABOUT TO GIVE UP.  I TRIED THE bLUEsOLEIL INTERFACE FROM http://WWW.IVTCORPORATION.COM AND THAT IS THE WORSE YET. I TRIED BELKIN BLUETOOTH PLACES AND THAT WAS CLOSE, BUT MISSING SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT MY PHONE HAD. PLUS THE ABOVE DID NOT ALLOW FOR THE USE OF se PHONE SOFTWARE. THEN THERE IS THE PLAIN OLD WINCOMM 1.3.2.7 THAT CAME WITH THE DONGLE.  THAT WAS THE BEST YET, BUT STILL DID NOT ALLOW ME TO USE se SOFTWARE.

I REALLY NEED A CONTACT MANANAGER FOR THIS PHONE OR I AM GOING TO GO NUTS. I COPIED NUMBERS FROM THE SIM FROM MY OLD PHONE AND NOW FOR SOME REASON I HAVE DUPLICATES AND TRUNCATIONS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED, AND NO WAY AM I GOING TO SPEND A LIFETIME DOING FROM THE PHONE ITSELF.  HELP!!!!!
JIG

latest update…got most of it working now but it was a struggle. here is the situation:

• generic off the shelf bluetooth dongle with CSR chipset.
• IVT Bluesoleil v1.4.5 with stack version 04.08.04.281003  
• Sony Ericsson Software with that came with the T610 phone (all upgraded to latest level).

here is what it does, or says it’s capable of doing:
• BT personal area network (PAN).  Gawwd, what’s this?  Yet another networking protocol?!?
• BT dial-up networking.  can’t test cause ISPs here don’t accept incoming from the cell network, but it’s dialing thru the SE-installed modem.
• BT Serial port. Not sure what this is used for except to connect two pcs via a virtual serial port. So many posts on the web say that you must activate this service to get things to work, not the case with IVT BT.  More on that in a moment.
• BT Lan Access.  Okay, this is the more standard type of networking interface one would expect.  Allows you to connect your phone to either your hardware lan adapter or the wireless one in the TR.  Not sure if it works, as it seems my phone does not support this.
• BT File Transfer. This service works well, and is implemented much better than the others I’ve tried, like Wincomm and Belkin. Still it’s some bastard TCPIP implemtation that does not give you control over file permissions and what not. But is does the job.
• Bluetooth Information synchronization.  This is what I wanted, and it works very well with some glitches.  I don’t have my contacts in Outlook, hate Outlook, would never want to ever use it again for a PIM, but as a contact list for my phone it works great. and it was free, as I had the office CD in a closet somewhere.  The glitch is this and perhaps someone out there is an Outlook guru and can figure this out.  Outlook thinks the sync service is a possible virus, and prompts you to confirm the sync and place a time limit on it.  Insane.  So after 10 minutes it drops the service.  I don’t ever anticipate having to syc contacts longer than the duration allowed, so that’s ok, but the dialog pops up behind all others, and unless you are aware of it, it seems like it’s taking a long time to sync, then the phone times out on ya.  It’s one of those gotchas ya need to know about.  The other problem I had but overcame is this: I cleared all entries on the phone and backed them up to the SIM card, and wanted to force a full sync from outlook to the phone.  It took some beating and cursing, but it finally managed.  Not sure what the problem was, but eventually after trying to sync, it took.  My perfectly formatted phone list is now syncing both ways between phone and outlook.
• BT Object Push. What the hay.  An entire service to push a business card?  Whatever.  It works.
• BT Printer Service.  Cool idea.  But I have no Bluetooth printer and not sure the phone would support anyway.  It’s permanently grayed out in my config.
• BT HID Service.  Human interface device?  Right. Like using the phone as a mouse is really human like, well maybe it is, but it’s grayed out.  An earlier version of WinComm allowed me to turn the service on, and I was hoping I could use the joystick of the t610 to operate the mouse on the TR1, but alas, it did nothing.  Again, perhaps the phone does not support this service. How would one know?
• BT Fax Service.  Sounds interesting, grayed out, but I am thinking…how would this work?  Would I need to have a fax GSM service turned on with my phone service provider first to be able to receive fax?  Would I be able to send a fax from the Tr using the t610 as a modem?  What the f????
• BT Basic Imaging.  Well, here’s a useless service for a TR owner if I ever saw one.  This service allows you to remotely control your phone camera from your PC, monitor the screen, etc. and then “push” it to wherever.  Grayed out.  Don’t care.
• BT AV Headphone. This service is called something else, I think, in Wincomm stack, but it’s really cool, when it works.  I even had it working when I had Wincomm installed – it was the only service that would work!  It had this behavior: when my cell phone rang, after a ring or two, the TR1 would pick up!  That’s right, with the cell phone in your coat pocket in the closet, the TR would answer the call and act like a speaker phone, using whatever speakers and mic you had setup. That was cool.  Unfortunate, it appears not to be working in IVT.
• BT Headset. Don’t have one to try, but service would be better than AV Headphone, as the TR has crap speakers and crap headphone.  Callers complained when I was using the WinComm version of the AV Headphone service…they says it sounded like an echo chamber with a jackhammer added for fun.
Well, that’s all the services that the IVT software provides and I think that’s in line with what people are calling My Bluetooth Places or Bluetooth Neighborhood.  The IVT interface is even more bizarre than the bastard variations of BT Neighborhood.  It’s got a solar system display with the sun being your computer and BT devices flying around in an orbit, occasionally shooting little asteroid lasers at the sun, indicating some kinda connection but it looks like a star wars game to me.  The icons are color coded for inactive, active, and connected and if you are color blind you will never see the difference.  My copy of IVT Bluesoleil says “Evaluation Copy” on it and I am not sure what that means…

My only confusion left is trying to figure out why some of the services listed above do not work, like BT AV Headphone.  The services list in the phone is dynamically updated from the BT server on the TR, so I am not even sure what the phone could support if I had software to provide it.  Information on this subject from SE is murky - to say the least.

I’m happy to report now that IVT BlueSoleil is installed, that all the SE phone software works, phone monitor, image editor, and whatnot.  The themes editor is really cool, allowing you to change your entire phone interface to vermillion and green if you want to.

Well, it is my hope that this append contributes to the amassing knowledge here in TR World and keeps others from doing what I almost did when trying to configure a Bluetooth phone – by getting two tin cans and then soldering them to the outside of the phone and TR, then connecting with a bit of string!

yours,
jiggyBLUE:)