http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6348 :ph34r:

It’s an interesting discussion but that group is extremely biased and misinformed in some of their thoughts.

To them, the T is a “much need upgrade” to the TR. Uh, upgrade? It’s more like a downgrade. The microphone is missing, the webcam is missing, the memory upgrade ability is less, and the styling is different.

I don’t know why everyone seems to think the TR is an “Apple”-like clone. Sheesh, just because someone brings out a light colored notebook it’s automatically branded Apple like. Apple wasn’t the first to do it. Japanese notebook manufacturers have been doing it for years with Sony innovating and leading the way defining their own style.

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Ok, memory is now at least the same and there is a bluetooth option. So, the differences are less. Still…I think it’s a downgrade.

[quote author=“gr00vy0ne”]It’s an interesting discussion but that group is extremely biased and misinformed in some of their thoughts.

To them, the T is a “much need upgrade” to the TR. Uh, upgrade? It’s more like a downgrade. The microphone is missing, the webcam is missing, the memory upgrade ability is less, and the styling is different.

I don’t know why everyone seems to think the TR is an “Apple”-like clone. Sheesh, just because someone brings out a light colored notebook it’s automatically branded Apple like. Apple wasn’t the first to do it. Japanese notebook manufacturers have been doing it for years with Sony innovating and leading the way defining their own style.

Well put GrOOvy.  I looked over there and they are very Bias, I don’t like it.

Just thought it was funny to hear what they had to say about the type T.  I totally agree with you.  Its a down grade…...

See, this is exactly what I’m talking about and one of the negative things about cowardly anonymous posting.

First of all, let’s get all the facts straight. The TR did actually come with a Dothan 733 processor in the final US market release. So, it isn’t faster.

Secondly, Bluetooth was a shipping option for all markets outside the US. So, you could get it legit. And for those of us who didn’t…we added it so it was functionally the same as the Japan and European markets.

Finally, have you ever considered that there are people who actually use the webcam and built-in microphone? For those people (and I’m one), this is a downgrade because now we’re forced to carry along yet another device. The convenience of having it integrated is more than you can imagine. Obviously, people who don’t use it won’t care and that’s perfectly fine. So, yes. I am biased (and never said I wasn’t) because I actually use those features. I teleconference with clients and often record client meetings (pasting them directly into Microsoft OneNote to annotate my notes). It’s a very powerful combination.

So, even though it it’s marginally smaller and lighter, it’s functionally less capable for me and other TR users thus making it a “downgrade”.

If I didn’t use those features then the type T would be more favorably looked at. Heck, I might even buy a P7K series (though i wouldn’t due to no integrated BT, another technology I use everyday).

does T can only be upgraded to 7tish megs of RAM, while TR to 1024???

Originally, when the Japanese Domestic Model was released, they listed a maximum of 768MB memory because the default shipping memory was 256MB. However, after a couple of days, it was announced there will be a 512MB standard model (meaning an upgrade to 1GB was possible).

At any rate, 1GB is the maximum even if you start with 256MB. The only “catch” is that you have to buy two 512MB microDimms for the upgrade and you end up with a useless 256MB module.

Looks like the T’s one-up without a covert install.   Bluetooth. From what I can see the P7xxx guys haven’t found an acceptable PCMCIA solution so they’re stuck with dangling dongles.

And T base memory is 512MB…

From another post here:

http://news.sel.sony.com/filestorage/download/sd_2004/T150.pdf?version_id=167508

The P7xxx has a few nice features I wish the T or TR had. Unquestionably there are some T or TR features they wish they had. They have bitches too:

http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6376

I suppose after you’ve spent as much money as either costs, you’d better convince yourself it’s the best.

...and they need to talk to jiggy about good sources for pink foam.

Seems some buttons rub on the screen.

do you think the DVD+/-RW can be installed in TR?  if i can do this, now my TR is almost equivalent to the T (action button vs camera and 1.1 GHz 2 MB cache vs 1 GHz 1 MB cache which can’t be modified)

Personally, I enjoy reading both forums.

Can’t we all just get along

[quote author=“grisjuan”]Personally, I enjoy reading both forums.

Can’t we all just get along

Yeah, I think so.  But when I go over there some of the thread say nasty things about the TR and its owners.  We don’t do that kinda thing over here.

Thats what has made me not want to register and post on LeoG.

Maybe that was just some bad apples of the bunch   I’ll check it out and see if memebers over there are nice and not mean when they find out I have a TR :ph34r:

It’s possible that the dual format DVD burner is a 9.5mm unit but I actually doubt that it is. I suspect it’s a 12.5mm unit because of it’s move to the side of the system. If you’ve seen the pictures of the T’s motherboard, it’s greatly reduced compared to that of the TR thus allowing for a larger sized, more readily available, and most likely cheaper part. Of course, it looks like the hard disk still is 1.8” given the only 40GB option. I suspect the T2 or next refresh by next year will have the 60GB option since Toshiba won’t be shipping those in volume until the end of the year.