[quote author=“tifosiv122”]kinda hard to buy a palm when PPCs are that price.
Erik
What’s this taboo with PPC? I like the PPC interfaces better than the Palms… they are much easier to ‘get around’ with and seem overall easier to use… since most people have a desktop/laptop running Windows that will sync easily with the PPC device…
I agree with Drachen. The regular old PDA market is coasting down in a final spiral. The smartphone/PDA-Phone Edition market is going to prevail. With flash memory… :ph34r:
[quote author=“OnMyWayUp”][quote author=“tifosiv122”]kinda hard to buy a palm when PPCs are that price.
Erik
What’s this taboo with PPC? I like the PPC interfaces better than the Palms… they are much easier to ‘get around’ with and seem overall easier to use… since most people have a desktop/laptop running Windows that will sync easily with the PPC device…
I agree with Drachen. The regular old PDA market is coasting down in a final spiral. The smartphone/PDA-Phone Edition market is going to prevail. With flash memory… :ph34r:
Honestly…PPC in my mind still has several drawbacks…
1. Its slower…by this I mean, to launch a program you go to start-programs-etc… Palm, its just home-icon.
2. Less stable…
3. Usually bulkier
4. Less programs available
5. Usually less battery
PPC has come a long way since it’s first try which was prob. one of the worst things i’ve ever used in my life. With my PDA experience coming from the first USR Pilot and getting a new one once a year since then (including several PPCs) I am still not convinced that a PPC is a better (software) unit. Hardware, I would choose a PPC over a Palm anyday, but as good as the hardware is, if you don’t have software to back it up…or at least the stability you need…
[quote author=“jso902”]i would imagine the software market is catching up pretty quickly. PPC’s are becoming so common that eventually they’ll be par with palm software.
I personally think palm has way too much of a headstart and stronghold on a portion of the market, but if they continue to overprice the market, that very well may happen…
[quote author=“tifosiv122”][quote author=“OnMyWayUp”][quote author=“tifosiv122”]kinda hard to buy a palm when PPCs are that price.
Erik
What’s this taboo with PPC? I like the PPC interfaces better than the Palms… they are much easier to ‘get around’ with and seem overall easier to use… since most people have a desktop/laptop running Windows that will sync easily with the PPC device…
I agree with Drachen. The regular old PDA market is coasting down in a final spiral. The smartphone/PDA-Phone Edition market is going to prevail. With flash memory… :ph34r:
Honestly…PPC in my mind still has several drawbacks…
1. Its slower…by this I mean, to launch a program you go to start-programs-etc… Palm, its just home-icon.
2. Less stable…
3. Usually bulkier
4. Less programs available
5. Usually less battery
PPC has come a long way since it’s first try which was prob. one of the worst things i’ve ever used in my life. With my PDA experience coming from the first USR Pilot and getting a new one once a year since then (including several PPCs) I am still not convinced that a PPC is a better (software) unit. Hardware, I would choose a PPC over a Palm anyday, but as good as the hardware is, if you don’t have software to back it up…or at least the stability you need…
Erik
1) Your kidding me right :ph34r: ... start > programs (vs) home > icon ??? where is the difference there?
2)Less stable… not really… In my experience with it it never froze or lost any of my data.
3)Less bulkier… maybe I dunno as i never really cared to check. But how is it that Palm can take up considerably less???
4)Less programs available? NO way… www.handango.com
5)Less battery… why would there be less battery? Less efficient interrupts or something??
[quote author=“OnMyWayUp”]
1) Your kidding me right :ph34r: ... start > programs (vs) home > icon ??? where is the difference there?
2)Less stable… not really… In my experience with it it never froze or lost any of my data.
3)Less bulkier… maybe I dunno as i never really cared to check. But how is it that Palm can take up considerably less???
4)Less programs available? NO way… www.handango.com
5)Less battery… why would there be less battery? Less efficient interrupts or something??
1. No, its start-programs-application folder-application…
2. Your experience is different then most of the PDA market…
3. Palm can take up less for several different reasons…
4. Yes way, palm has many times more software available to PPC
5. PPCs drain batteries quicker then Palms…mostly because of their CPU, they actually had to have speedstep CPUs because of the battery issues.
[quote author=“tifosiv122”]Honestly…PPC in my mind still has several drawbacks…
1. Its slower…by this I mean, to launch a program you go to start-programs-etc… Palm, its just home-icon.
This one is a trade-off. It’s basically single-tasking vs true multi-tasking. The way I tend to work, especially switching between apps that keep a lot of state data as opposed to just database record pointers, like web browsers, the Palm method sucks.
2. Less stable…
If you compare a device like the Palm V to a iPAQ 3650, yes, absolutely. Once you get into networking, music and multimedia, the stability of a simple machine like the Palm drops dramatically. Considering the number of times I had to reset my NZ90 compared to my E200, I’d call it about even. I’ve had enough problems with WiFi to say that the networking stack was problematic at best.
5. Usually less battery
This certainly isn’t true with the newest models anymore, especially with the higher-speed processors out there. Getting a week out of a single charge for anything more than infrequent PIM access is a thing of the past.
[quote author=“Drachen”][quote author=“tifosiv122”]Honestly…PPC in my mind still has several drawbacks…
1. Its slower…by this I mean, to launch a program you go to start-programs-etc… Palm, its just home-icon.
This one is a trade-off. It’s basically single-tasking vs true multi-tasking. The way I tend to work, especially switching between apps that keep a lot of state data as opposed to just database record pointers, like web browsers, the Palm method sucks.
2. Less stable…
If you compare a device like the Palm V to a iPAQ 3650, yes, absolutely. Once you get into networking, music and multimedia, the stability of a simple machine like the Palm drops dramatically. Considering the number of times I had to reset my NZ90 compared to my E200, I’d call it about even. I’ve had enough problems with WiFi to say that the networking stack was problematic at best.
5. Usually less battery
This certainly isn’t true with the newest models anymore, especially with the higher-speed processors out there. Getting a week out of a single charge for anything more than infrequent PIM access is a thing of the past.
In order to compare a lot of things you need to look at the devices on their own. Palm, out of the box, is more stable then PPC. Usually when a Palm crashes its because of user-installed software. Next, Clies were always more troublesome compared to PalmOnes because of their multimedia software that came pre-loaded. PPCs still max out at about 5 hours or so…my treo, as a phone and pda lasts longer then that, using the pda straight.
[quote author=“tifosiv122”]In order to compare a lot of things you need to look at the devices on their own. Palm, out of the box, is more stable then PPC. Usually when a Palm crashes its because of user-installed software. Next, Clies were always more troublesome compared to PalmOnes because of their multimedia software that came pre-loaded. PPCs still max out at about 5 hours or so…my treo, as a phone and pda lasts longer then that, using the pda straight.
I won’t argue about Clie stability, but even with the multimedia apps availble for the Clie, I still had to buy and download a lot of software to get to the point where I felt that the Clie was on par software-wise with the PPC. I know from experience that Palm definitely doesn’t handle app problems with the same aplomb that WinCE and Symbian do. That definitely counts towards the stability of a device, especially considering how people use PDAs these days. Anyone who just needs the stock PIM apps would probably be happier with a cell phone.
Hardware-wise the Treo isn’t even in the same class as a PPC, the T|C, the T|T3 or T|T5. It’s got a much smaller screen than even a PPC and has a slower CPU than most devices launched within the past two years.
[quote author=“Drachen”]Hardware-wise the Treo isn’t even in the same class as a PPC, the T|C, the T|T3 or T|T5. It’s got a much smaller screen than even a PPC and has a slower CPU than most devices launched within the past two years.
Well, yeah, thats the point. I can still run almost any Palm App even though its a slower CPU…and I still get great battery life.
This is a hard discussion, it’s like Apple v PC, no clear winner. I am confident in saying that PPC has better hardware and now better pricing, but for software, usablility, etc, I still believe in palm.
[quote author=“MegaManXcalibur”]I guess I’ll comment on this device since I’m a huge PDA fan.
First of all I was very disapointed that this device didn’t have Palm OS 6 (Cobalt) on it. Cobalt was released earlier this year and Sony (before they dropped from the market) said they would have Cobalt devices by the end of the year. Now traditionally Palmone releases devices with the latest OSes before anybody else so I figured they would have Cobalt devices about two or three months earlier then Sony. It seems stupid as stupid can be that they loaded this machine with Garnet (Palm OS 5.x). Heck Palm Source announced they are already working on Palm OS 6.1 before any OS 6.0 devices have arrived.
Second the device has bluetooth (which I love) but no 802.11 (which I love even more). When this device was first annouced way back when it was suppose to have two SDIO slots so you could have a Wi-Fi card in one slot and a storage card in the other. I see that didn’t make the final product. Personally I would never get a PDA without built in Wi-Fi anymore.
Now my final gripe. The price, it’s $400.00. That’s not bad for a device with a ton of features, with the T5 lacks a few critical of. Last month I bouth a new PDA (HP rx3115) for $300.00. It include boths integrated bluetooh and Wi-Fi. Granted is has MUCH less RAM then 256MB (it only has 56MB) but still the price is $100.00 lower for something with Wi-Fi.
I think Palmone dropped the ball on this device.
I think the reason why they lacked 802.11abg specs was because the PPC/Palm processors are not fast enough to handle the data throughput. I haven’t seen them on PPC yet, and I asked the techie, and basically that’s what he told me. Could be wrong… 8)
[quote author=“Drachen”]My 3 year old Casio E200 (with BT and WiFi CF cards) can do just about anything a brand new iPAQ rx3115 can.
I wouldn’t say that. First of all as you stated you need cards for bluetooth and wi-fi. That’s a huge minus in a device for me (my SDIO slot always has a card in it). But besides that it run PocketPC 2002. The rx3115 runs PocketPC 2003SE, which has a nice list of extra features (screen rotation being the biggest one for me, makes it easier to view web pages). Also the Casio’s processor is slower so it’s not going to run some high end programs (I’m thinking emulators, and Quake for the PocketPC).
But anyhow it’s not really a big deal, I have to agree with your statement that the PDA market is getting stagnent. There are so many cool things that are yet to be done with PDAs but everybody on the market is concerned with little things such as higher resolution screens.
Maybe somebody will do something with PDAs that’s just amazinly cool and will inject some new life into a sterile market.
But hopefully regular PDAs will never go away, I’d hate to see everything be smartphones (because I have an utter hatred for phones of any kind).
[quote author=“nox”]I think the reason why they lacked 802.11abg specs was because the PPC/Palm processors are not fast enough to handle the data throughput. I haven’t seen them on PPC yet, and I asked the techie, and basically that’s what he told me. Could be wrong…
~nox
Actually most PocketPCs (including mine) have built in 802.11b cards. I also know some of the Clie’s had it built in (although my Clie needed a CF card you plugged into the back). Personally I won’t even look twice at a device that lacks built in 802.11, but that’s just me.
[quote author=“tifosiv122”][quote author=“Drachen”]Hardware-wise the Treo isn’t even in the same class as a PPC, the T|C, the T|T3 or T|T5. It’s got a much smaller screen than even a PPC and has a slower CPU than most devices launched within the past two years.
Well, yeah, thats the point. I can still run almost any Palm App even though its a slower CPU…and I still get great battery life.
This is a hard discussion, it’s like Apple v PC, no clear winner. I am confident in saying that PPC has better hardware and now better pricing, but for software, usablility, etc, I still believe in palm.
Erik
i’m not sure if i can fully agree. the t3 is still calling my name. even without the wifi, i can always have one in the expansion slot (especially since there are two). furthermore. T3 offers somethign that blows the axim away. there are plenty more pixels and they looks are soo much better. yesterday i was comparing flag ships between palm and dell and I found that they’re almost par. the extra pixels has to be where all the extra cost is going to. my only worry is if the t3 has a lot of software supports as in: mp3 programs like winamp, a good scratch pad and a friendly interface that happily connects with my TR. anyone with some experience?
maybe you could fill the blanks in for me tif.
I’m looking for something that can play mp3’s very well. I hate real player
I’m also looking for something that possibly can play video files
and i wanna know if the expansion slot can support 1gb cards
and if i can get something like microsoft word, i think i may just end up using my pda more than my TR
edit: sorry tif, i don’t mean to post in both sections… but here’s the bottom line. I’m going to get a pda no matter what. I’m in med school and I’ll be needing one in the next 3-4 months.
