Right. Even my beloved Type S does not fall into the same category of ultraportable subnotebooks.

I even have a tough time calling my Type S a subnotebook. It does defy the classes though since it’s in the subnotebook weight range but a little bigger in terms of size. It’s not big per se but the 13.3” screen in such a lightweight full featured notebook is unheard of.

ok well lets open this in a new context then….whats the possibility of adding the new 1.1GHz PM with the 2MB Cache. No the CPU isn’t vastly faster but you’d be suprised how much an extra 1MB L2 will do for performance in some applications (especially anything that does number crunching like video/sound editing).

Again, I don’t think it’s really that much of a change. Probably 20% better on average and maybe 25% in ideal circumstances. The extra cache does help but it assumes that whatever you’re working on (the actual calculation can take place solely within the 2MB of cache space).

20-25% boost is noticeable so it may be worth it for a person to do it.

Or better yet the 1.2 ULV CPUs releasing next year. I guess the question really is is the CPU Soldered onto the board or is it in a socket?

the cpu isn’t the bottleneck of our TR’s

it’s the super dooper fast hard drive that spins at a whooping 4200 rpm…

once applications load into the ram… the thing performs quite well

hopefully toshiba/hitachi can invent a faster 1.8” that doesn’t generate so much heat.

[quote author=“jso902”]the cpu isn’t the bottleneck of our TR’s

it’s the super dooper fast hard drive that spins at a whooping 4200 rpm…

once applications load into the ram… the thing performs quite well

hopefully toshiba/hitachi can invent a faster 1.8” that doesn’t generate so much heat.

It really depends on what your talking about. Encoding, for example, is really CPU intensive and technically the jump from 1.0 to 1.X you will notice a difference…my point is the bottleneck is not always the Hard Drive.

Erik

[quote author=“tifosiv122”][quote author=“alphauser”]thank you for your reply, gr00vy0ne
because the CPU is a little bit slow compared with other laptops.

Thats because it wasn’t meant to be used as a desktop replacement. If its too slow for you…

1. Something is bogging down your system…
a. Do you have enough memory?
b. Do you have too many apps running?
c. Do you have a virus?

2. 500Mhz more won’t help anyway…

Erik

1. Something doesn’t need to be ‘bogging’ down the system for the TR to feel a bit sluggish.  Even before my HD started acting up, I noticed some annoying lag in file requests, etc.
2. Yea it will… my 1.6A Ghz on my S is more noticeable.  Yes, I realize that is with Dothan etc… but when something is CPU intensive, I notice that it runs much smoother on the S’s 1.6

But no one has really answered to the fact that whether its really possible to upgrade it or not ? And how much more battery would be dissipated in using another processor. Would you get get an S series battery life with a 1.7 ghz in a TR? Would you have to get a professional to do it or can you really do it yourself, and if your doing it yourself what are the risks involved ?

Well, here’s some of the questions that need to be answered (with some of the answers).

1. Are the processors pin compatible? Yes.

2. Are the processors voltage compatible? No.

The Pentium M 1Ghz Banias ULV chip has the following specs (Maximum/Battery Mode)
Voltage: 1.39 V/0.844 V
Power Consumption: 7.0W/6.0W
The Pentium M 1.5-2GHz Dothan chip has the following specs (Maximum/Battery Mode)
Voltage: 1.276-1.340V/0.988V
Power Consumption: 21.0 W/7.5 W

3. Can the TR’s motherboard support a higher voltaged processor? Unknown. Someone will probably just have to “try it”

4. Will the battery be drained faster? Absolutely. The power consumption is higher so it will.

5. Can the TR’s heatsink/pipe/fan handle the extra heat? Unknown.
The faster chip means higher heat dissipation. No one knows if the current cooling solution was designed to handle that much heat.

6. Is it difficult to removed the cooling unit? Unknown.

7. Would you need a professional? It depends on your skill level with this sort of stuff. There’s always risks involved in this kind of stuff. Here’s a variety of risk that you run in such an upgrade.

1. CPU gets fried
2. The motherboard is shorted
3. Data loss
4. Completely dead notebook

So, there’s a lot of questions to be answered and a lot of uncertainty. I would suggest only looking at other ULV processors (basically only 1 or 1.1GHz) or maybe the lone LV Dothan processor (1.4GHz) but nothing higher as it seems too drastic an upgrade.

So if the voltage isnt compatible, really you cant do anything about it whatso ever .. period !! Isnt it ? .. I mean certainly it takes the risk factor to this whole other level once you start playing with the voltages. Because then you risk, probably a dead TR which no warranty covers.  :shock:

Yes, so ultimately, it’s not worth doing in my mind unless you can get another ultra low voltage chip that runs faster (there are none now).

Not now but come Januaryish I have a hunch that that 1.2ghz ULV with 2MB Cache will have people wanting to upgrade. As far as I know it still uses the current chipset, its still the same pinout, and since its based on a smaller fab process (90nm) it should consume even less power and be cooler. Though it won’t help in all instances 1MB more L2 can really speed up that CPU sometimes which could make it worth it.

Anyway noone has yet to answer if the CPU is actually removable or not (I’m starting to think this is because noone wants to take the chance of yanking apart the laptop to see seeing as I don’t even want to and I’m usually the first to do it).

[quote author=“tifosiv122”][quote author=“jso902”]the cpu isn’t the bottleneck of our TR’s

it’s the super dooper fast hard drive that spins at a whooping 4200 rpm…

once applications load into the ram… the thing performs quite well

hopefully toshiba/hitachi can invent a faster 1.8” that doesn’t generate so much heat.

It really depends on what your talking about. Encoding, for example, is really CPU intensive and technically the jump from 1.0 to 1.X you will notice a difference…my point is the bottleneck is not always the Hard Drive.

Erik

ahh yes… tru.. hahah sorry i was basing my statement on how i use my TR.  most of my stuff is openning applications.  And since none of these applications require a ton of processing power, the HD is the bottle neck