Hey dont take my credit for starting a political post…j/k :D

But yea I don’t understand the same-sex church belief… they simply ignore a verse as blatant as Jude 1:7.  It just kills me how there are liberals and atheists that say it is now just as normal for me to marry some guy, or for a 15 year old guy and girl to have sex (as long as they are “protected”), as it is for any regular guy and girl couple to get married.  Especially in America… do people not realize that America was founded under God?  Or have they simply “forgotten”. 
Amazing how the weeks after September 11th people were flocking to churches, temples, and synagogue’s to pray for the lost victims and then they simply drifted away again…

I really think out country needs to hit bottom to realize everything that it is we take for granted compared to our surrounding nations.  Maybe Sodom and Gammorah’s destruction needs to be “replayed” in America…

[quote author=“OnMyWayUp”]do people not realize that America was founded under God?

Normally I’d let this God-fest go, but this statement deserves an answer. It’s false. The Treaty of Tripoli was ratified in 1797 by the Senate and signed by John Adams. Go to Article 11. It’s stated rather explicitly. Then read Article VI of the Constitution.  :wink:

The irony of this is that John Adams was the most religious of the Founding Fathers, although at one point very late in his life he wrote “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!” Thomas Paine was outright hostile to Christianity. Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and James Madison were not religious as you would understand it. They did believe in God, but were not fans of organized religion, hence the First Amendment to the Constitution. Judging by your past comments, I doubt either of you would call any of them “Christian”.

Drachen, I am glad you chimed in on this post because I now realize that you’ve got me all wrong.  Organized religion has more downside than upside.  Those men were certainly not christian by the pop-facists believers of today.  Make no mistake though, they knew God and his word better than the bozos on TBN wearing $3,000 suits! 

Additionally, I don’t care what this country does politically.  When Paul and Peter preached ‘Christ’ to most of Europe and the Middle East, they took no thought for the political condition of any country.  I am no different than they.  When this country falls because of corruption and moral decline, I will be just as happy living in the next country.  Nobody is truely free in this world.  Everyone is a slave to something.  In this country it is money and leisure. 

I wave God’s flag, not this country’s.

I never looked at it that way and most of that really does make sense… But exactly how is it that you feel no more loyalty to the US than “the net country”?  I guess parts of that make sense as well because realistically, you don’t neccessarilly live in a country because you agree with its politics… I wanna move to Japan because of the highly urbanized and technology driven lifestyle… not because I’m Buddhist or feel loyal to their country’s government. IMO however, their government is more renounced than ours.

-“Organized religion has more downside than upside.”
How do you mean this? Denominational churches or religion based on tradition like Catholicism?  I don’t agree with the tradition-based religion of Catholicism and have some doubts about the denominational aspect either way but I still believe in a structured church… to a certain extent.

Drachen: What he said
TS: I like that… (God’s flag over the country’s)